kumarc123
07-10 01:05 PM
Hello All,
i concur with the aspect of filling a lawsuit, as it will create more visibility and put more pressure on congress. As it is congress is under the gun for failing to act on a lot of bills. Even though if it does not create instant results, it will definitely lead to some type of change in coming months. I am sure if we all pitch in 50$ each, we can accumulate good amount of money. Also we can use Murthy Law firm to file a lawsuit. Lets not forget the amount of visibility Murthy law firm is getting from IV. If there is a law suite filed through them, then they also get to share the limelight.
The point here is, we can get a discounted price on the service, also Murthy law firm is aware of our situation. Administrator what do you think?
All EB3 guys, stop complaining about EB2-EB3, it is about EB community. IF EB2 get some direct benefit, then it will be rolled down to EB3 as well. Please let us not discuss issues which separate us. Right now we should focus on unity and creating a mass number of high skilled workers who can SHOW up on rally's.
Thanks
i concur with the aspect of filling a lawsuit, as it will create more visibility and put more pressure on congress. As it is congress is under the gun for failing to act on a lot of bills. Even though if it does not create instant results, it will definitely lead to some type of change in coming months. I am sure if we all pitch in 50$ each, we can accumulate good amount of money. Also we can use Murthy Law firm to file a lawsuit. Lets not forget the amount of visibility Murthy law firm is getting from IV. If there is a law suite filed through them, then they also get to share the limelight.
The point here is, we can get a discounted price on the service, also Murthy law firm is aware of our situation. Administrator what do you think?
All EB3 guys, stop complaining about EB2-EB3, it is about EB community. IF EB2 get some direct benefit, then it will be rolled down to EB3 as well. Please let us not discuss issues which separate us. Right now we should focus on unity and creating a mass number of high skilled workers who can SHOW up on rally's.
Thanks
wallpaper 2011 Trail Edition
ksrk
08-11 02:41 PM
There is nothing surprising about sept VB. Retrogression is here to stay unless any bill is passed. Please take note of the action item we have posted if we wish to see a change instead of waiting for VB and hoping for change.
I agree with Pappu. This really doesn't mean much, at least nothing one can work through logically to understand how long it might take for one to get the GC, leave alone use it as basis to hope for one even if PD is current. This is as good/bad as the H1B lottery in April '06-'08.
The only sustainable and meaningful relief lies in recapture and expansion of visa numbers, STEM exemption, etc. Let's work on buzzing in our congresspersons' years this August.
I agree with Pappu. This really doesn't mean much, at least nothing one can work through logically to understand how long it might take for one to get the GC, leave alone use it as basis to hope for one even if PD is current. This is as good/bad as the H1B lottery in April '06-'08.
The only sustainable and meaningful relief lies in recapture and expansion of visa numbers, STEM exemption, etc. Let's work on buzzing in our congresspersons' years this August.
bsbawa10
09-06 08:20 AM
lets start posting on Monday morning.
Over the weekend, people will comment and make constructive suggestions. By Monday, we should have enough material to post.
lets post together. sending a single email will not help
Also I think, people can customize this letter a little bit by elevating individual examples of their own. Please advertise this to all immigrationvoice members if you can.
Once again my appeal to write this to Zoe.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_119vmrj2gfs
Over the weekend, people will comment and make constructive suggestions. By Monday, we should have enough material to post.
lets post together. sending a single email will not help
Also I think, people can customize this letter a little bit by elevating individual examples of their own. Please advertise this to all immigrationvoice members if you can.
Once again my appeal to write this to Zoe.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_119vmrj2gfs
2011 here is my trail edition,
rajuram
09-14 11:39 PM
Here is the problem
-- Grass root & state level efforts work only when there are a lot of grass root workers. For example independence struggle in india worked due to grass root efforts. But please try to understand that things are different here --- by definition, we are immigrants, our numbers are limited in this country.
Simply put, groups working in isolated corners of the country are having no effect on the politicians, because each area has only a few people and the politicians are not seeing the combined effect.
"Grass root efforts" may sound very trendy, but are actually leading us no where............yes we need it......but at the same time IV has to have a strong leadership who can show their strenght by doing phone / lettere campaigns.
-- Grass root & state level efforts work only when there are a lot of grass root workers. For example independence struggle in india worked due to grass root efforts. But please try to understand that things are different here --- by definition, we are immigrants, our numbers are limited in this country.
Simply put, groups working in isolated corners of the country are having no effect on the politicians, because each area has only a few people and the politicians are not seeing the combined effect.
"Grass root efforts" may sound very trendy, but are actually leading us no where............yes we need it......but at the same time IV has to have a strong leadership who can show their strenght by doing phone / lettere campaigns.
more...
aadimanav
03-06 11:04 AM
Voted "yes".
Thanks for this drive.
:)
Thanks for this drive.
:)
Maverick1
07-11 01:49 PM
I have great respect for Paskal. I found your posts to be level headed all the time. Looks like you took this personally this time. This only shows how frustrating these times are. This whole screwed up process is wrong and unfair. Any type of comparison us useless.
There are many factors that determine whether you applied EB2 or EB3. It is not just what your qualifications are. Some companies and attorneys have predispositions. Some companies are very liberal with their job descriptions and some or not. We all know that.
We can draw this argument to many levels.
Experience VS Master's degree
Indian degree vs US degree
Desi Body shop Vs Jobs in reputed companies
Company policy VS bought out LCs
Reputed Schools Vs So So schools
Fact of the matter is , There is still some challenge still in applying under EB1 (although I see many more EB1s these days than I used to). But we practically blurred the lines between EB2 and EB3. That is why people talk about EB2 VS EB3 not EB1 vs EB3.
There are many more qualified folks under EB3 for variety of reasons (who practically gave up any hope) and also some who were in EB2 that are probably not EB2 by strict interpretation and spirit of EB2.
Bottom line : We all screwed. Some more than others :)
Just my 2 cents :)
it goes deeper than that. first let me point out that this is philosophical- you argument is not about law, it's about a point of view.
so if i ask you why EB2 filers should spend extra years getting educated and never getting this all important magic "PD" and then get in line behind someone who got a job the day they entered the country- and got a PD soon enough- what would you say?
ask me. it took me 11 years to get a PD. why? for 7 of those years i was getting my advanced education. so why should i suffer behind the 3 year Indian degree person (against my 7 years there as well) who came in 5 years after me and filed right away?
there are reasons why the EB priorities were set up. by simply extending your logic EB1 should also wait for a turn and not have priority. what's good for the goose....
having said that, it is absolutely insane to ask people to wait indefinitely and we must do something about it.
today the EB3 folks (and I have nothing against them, their waits are insane- and it's absolutely not right) are porting to EB2 with those bachelors degrees and 5 years experience. and just because they could APPLY for a GC earlier and all their years get counted in the PD, they keep lining up ahead of me. why do all my years count for NOTHING?
please spare us "fortunate" EB2s a thought too. think of when in life our careers are finally freed from waiting for a GC.
and now please concentrate on ways to end retrogression and stop the EB2 vs EB3 crap. we all have our problems.
There are many factors that determine whether you applied EB2 or EB3. It is not just what your qualifications are. Some companies and attorneys have predispositions. Some companies are very liberal with their job descriptions and some or not. We all know that.
We can draw this argument to many levels.
Experience VS Master's degree
Indian degree vs US degree
Desi Body shop Vs Jobs in reputed companies
Company policy VS bought out LCs
Reputed Schools Vs So So schools
Fact of the matter is , There is still some challenge still in applying under EB1 (although I see many more EB1s these days than I used to). But we practically blurred the lines between EB2 and EB3. That is why people talk about EB2 VS EB3 not EB1 vs EB3.
There are many more qualified folks under EB3 for variety of reasons (who practically gave up any hope) and also some who were in EB2 that are probably not EB2 by strict interpretation and spirit of EB2.
Bottom line : We all screwed. Some more than others :)
Just my 2 cents :)
it goes deeper than that. first let me point out that this is philosophical- you argument is not about law, it's about a point of view.
so if i ask you why EB2 filers should spend extra years getting educated and never getting this all important magic "PD" and then get in line behind someone who got a job the day they entered the country- and got a PD soon enough- what would you say?
ask me. it took me 11 years to get a PD. why? for 7 of those years i was getting my advanced education. so why should i suffer behind the 3 year Indian degree person (against my 7 years there as well) who came in 5 years after me and filed right away?
there are reasons why the EB priorities were set up. by simply extending your logic EB1 should also wait for a turn and not have priority. what's good for the goose....
having said that, it is absolutely insane to ask people to wait indefinitely and we must do something about it.
today the EB3 folks (and I have nothing against them, their waits are insane- and it's absolutely not right) are porting to EB2 with those bachelors degrees and 5 years experience. and just because they could APPLY for a GC earlier and all their years get counted in the PD, they keep lining up ahead of me. why do all my years count for NOTHING?
please spare us "fortunate" EB2s a thought too. think of when in life our careers are finally freed from waiting for a GC.
and now please concentrate on ways to end retrogression and stop the EB2 vs EB3 crap. we all have our problems.
more...
nc14
03-06 11:42 AM
Thanks for taking the initiative. I think we should get this going so that we have some more information on where things stand.
2010 2010 2011 2012 TOYOTA 4RUNNER
superdude
07-17 10:39 PM
Thanks
more...
sanjay
08-20 02:30 PM
I just talked to a NSC representative and he told me that my case is sent to extended review. Now what is this extended review?
Well, what annoys and confused me is that when I took Info pass day before yesterday she told me that my case is with IO. And now NSC rep is giving me another version called extended review.
Don't know whom to believe.
Does anyone here had same exp.
Well, what annoys and confused me is that when I took Info pass day before yesterday she told me that my case is with IO. And now NSC rep is giving me another version called extended review.
Don't know whom to believe.
Does anyone here had same exp.
hair Tagged: 2009 Toyota 4Runner
ItIsNotFunny
03-06 03:50 PM
Responded :)
Add me for $25
Kate123. Could you please vote?
Add me for $25
Kate123. Could you please vote?
more...
thomachan72
04-11 08:48 AM
your immagination/calculation might be true.....so what?? Havnt we seen a lot of posting about what mischief is being done by a handful?? why do we spend our time on analysing that? IV shouldn't be a website where I log in in the morning and find what all mischief is happening or happened or will happen. There are mischief makers and let the law deal with them. we are a group of straightforward individuals who wish to concenterate on fighting the injustice of the extreme delays. If there was a mischief the USCIS is supposed to catch them and fix it. it is not allowed to delay yours/ mine just because a few others did something wrong. Please concentrate on today and tomorrow. Plan for a new line of action and we will join.
hot 2010 Toyota 4Runner Trail
gsc999
11-16 08:46 PM
You know what. I would like to donate something to IV this holiday season. I have a Wii gaming console that I bought earlier during the year but never actually got around to play it much :)
I want to donate that to IV. There are a couple of ways you can get your hands on this amazing machine, PM me and I will mail it to your address, you send the retail value of a Wii, to IV as donation. Or we can set up an auction. Highest bidder gets it. Mind you this is just for donation purposes. I won't make any money out of this. You will get a gaming console and IV will get some donation.
Lemme know.
I want to donate that to IV. There are a couple of ways you can get your hands on this amazing machine, PM me and I will mail it to your address, you send the retail value of a Wii, to IV as donation. Or we can set up an auction. Highest bidder gets it. Mind you this is just for donation purposes. I won't make any money out of this. You will get a gaming console and IV will get some donation.
Lemme know.
more...
house 2011 Toyota 4Runner Trail V6
.jpg "2009 Toyota 4Runner Trail")
sugaur
12-09 02:50 PM
" under Arizona law even criminals are not shackled during child-birth
that was the whole point of the article
its not about immigration[/QUOTE]"
Just because this article says so doesnt mean its true. The whole point of this article was to demonize the law enforcement efforts directed against illegals.
This is from amnestyusa website:
Twenty-three state departments of corrections and the Federal Bureau of Prisons allow the use of restraints during labor. Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Key Findings: Use of Restraints on Pregnant Women in Custody (http://www.amnestyusa.org/violence-against-women/abuse-of-women-in-custody/key-findings-use-of-restraints-on-pregnant-women-in-custody/page.do?id=1108300)
that was the whole point of the article
its not about immigration[/QUOTE]"
Just because this article says so doesnt mean its true. The whole point of this article was to demonize the law enforcement efforts directed against illegals.
This is from amnestyusa website:
Twenty-three state departments of corrections and the Federal Bureau of Prisons allow the use of restraints during labor. Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Key Findings: Use of Restraints on Pregnant Women in Custody (http://www.amnestyusa.org/violence-against-women/abuse-of-women-in-custody/key-findings-use-of-restraints-on-pregnant-women-in-custody/page.do?id=1108300)
tattoo 2010 Toyota 4Runner Trail 4x4
gk_2000
06-09 02:36 PM
I had this question - how the 50k would be used? If you could post in greater detail perhaps more members would be enlightened to contribute
more...
pictures 2010 Toyota 4Runner Trail
Michael chertoff
08-13 01:46 PM
I am confused now!:D
I thought that with the Sept 2009 bulletin ( PD shifted to 01 Jan 2005 for EB2 India), my PD is current!
Am I missing something?
Best
Fred
Your PD will be current in next month september.
Enjoy. MC
I thought that with the Sept 2009 bulletin ( PD shifted to 01 Jan 2005 for EB2 India), my PD is current!
Am I missing something?
Best
Fred
Your PD will be current in next month september.
Enjoy. MC
dresses 2010 Toyota 4Runner Trail
dummgelauft
12-08 05:05 PM
its unbelievable what attitude some have on here...many on here are anti-illegal immigration which is understandable...but how can you condone such inhumane treatment...we are not animals...illegals are economic refugees in a way
just cause most of us on here were blessed to come up in decent families who afforded our education...it doesnt give us a right to treat the less fortunate with no dignity...what a shame
always "treat others the way you want to be treated"`
..else, don't say what you don't do.
Hey, lets do this. Let's get a couple of homeless bums to just move into your house, while you are not there and then have them DEMAND repsect, humanity, food, medical care, clothing and shelter from YOU. ALL in the name of humanity.
Then let us see what your reaction is.......a homeless US citizen is in no way inferior to you so called "economic refugee".
Countries have borders and laws for a reason, and each country has the right to protect its borders and uphold the laws. Most of us being of Indian descent, should look into our own house. What is happening to Biharis in Maharashtra...are Biharis not Citizens of India.....we don;t even tolerate people of other states, coming to our state!! and expect US to just keep letting trespassers in?
The name of this Country is "UNITED STATES of AMERICA"...NOT "FREE_FOR_ALL REFUGEE CAMP"..
just cause most of us on here were blessed to come up in decent families who afforded our education...it doesnt give us a right to treat the less fortunate with no dignity...what a shame
always "treat others the way you want to be treated"`
..else, don't say what you don't do.
Hey, lets do this. Let's get a couple of homeless bums to just move into your house, while you are not there and then have them DEMAND repsect, humanity, food, medical care, clothing and shelter from YOU. ALL in the name of humanity.
Then let us see what your reaction is.......a homeless US citizen is in no way inferior to you so called "economic refugee".
Countries have borders and laws for a reason, and each country has the right to protect its borders and uphold the laws. Most of us being of Indian descent, should look into our own house. What is happening to Biharis in Maharashtra...are Biharis not Citizens of India.....we don;t even tolerate people of other states, coming to our state!! and expect US to just keep letting trespassers in?
The name of this Country is "UNITED STATES of AMERICA"...NOT "FREE_FOR_ALL REFUGEE CAMP"..
more...
makeup 2011 Trail Edition Nerf Bars
brb2
02-04 11:58 PM
Having diversity AND country quota for skilled employment is affirmative action gone waco. EB skilled immigration is to allow businesses to hire foreign labor for jobs they can't find American Citizens. Now to restrict businesses to discriminate based on the country of birth is just riduculous. Next do Universities apply affirmative action to their international student recruitement?
Indians and Chinese make up the largest group of international students in Engineering and Science. US citizens make up less than 50% of those graduating in Science and Engineering in Master's and PhD programs. Now businesses should not be penalized if they can't fill their highly skilled jobs with Iranians and Tongans and any other ROW countries.
We have a diversity lottery for nationals of those countries who would not make it out on merit and need a leg up. There may be a few Indian consulting companies who favor Indians, but they are the people who pay wages and know best. Similarly just because Americans prefer to buy Japanese cars we can't create an "affirmative action" and prevent americans from buying Japanese cars. We can't prevent walmart from stocking chinese products. So why force employers not to hire Indians and Chinese through creating quotas for highly skilled jobs?
No meaningful immigration reforms can be achieved as long as skilled immigration is based on country quotas. Next we know there will be quotas for marrying foreigners to add to diversity. If you marry a mexican there is retrogression but if you marry a citizen of Vanuatu then green card is processed in ROW:)
I was just making my point how ridiculous it is to have quotas for skilled immigration but not for others including asylum cases.
How do you come to these conclusions what congress intended. AC21's main provisions were to recapture unused visas for certain years; extend h-1b beyond six years; allow someone to change a job after 485 pending for more then six months; allow unused visas to be allocated to oversubscribed countries on a quarterly basis rather then in the fourth quarter.
Above is what was changed. There was no lifting of country cap. If you go to the earlies visa bulletins listed; you will see that Dominican Republic at one time was retrogressed. I haven't looked at it in a long time but if someone goes to the historical visa bulletins pre ac21 then you may see significant movement in retrogressed countries in the fourth quarter of uscis fiscal year (july to september). This is what changed.
However, the ac21 part about unused visas only stipulated if in any quarter there were less applicants then visas available then spillover can happen in that quarter. However, as can be seen in 2005 that weasn't the case and there shouldn't have been spillover.
In another posting you mentioned that your employer doesn't care whether you are Indian or chines or pakistani or anything else. This is true they want you for your skill. However, how did you get into USA. Chinese generally go to school here and will work wherever they get a job. However, Indian nationals have designed a system to get their realitves here through h-1b. Selective recrutiing is performed to get fellow compatriates here that couldn't otherwise get here becuase they have no connections. I ask some of my clients how they get employees. They tell me they are sponsoring their classmates, their cousins, etc. for h-1b.
Therefore, you may think it is not fair; and perhaps it is not fair but perhaps government knows that certain systems have been designed and they value diversity.
In business definition a skilled worker is not someone with two years of experience, a bachelors or even a masters. A skilled worker is someone with substantial experience. That is 15 years and makes $200K to $300K. Employment base immigration is just an accomodation to allow a certain number of people into USA. In my mind it is just an accomodation or goodwill.
If the EB system was designd to attract the best and brightest minds; skilled worker definition or eb2 or eb3 definition would have a much different meaning and would follow business rather then USCIS definition. It would be much different. There would be no quota. It would follow normal business practicses. That is we, can't find a us citizen or greencard holder and we need you. In real business sens it would be an offer, acceptance and you would start in a couple of months. However, it doesn't follow normal business rules/practices because maybe the powers that be look at it as just an accomodation rather then a real necessity.
Indians and Chinese make up the largest group of international students in Engineering and Science. US citizens make up less than 50% of those graduating in Science and Engineering in Master's and PhD programs. Now businesses should not be penalized if they can't fill their highly skilled jobs with Iranians and Tongans and any other ROW countries.
We have a diversity lottery for nationals of those countries who would not make it out on merit and need a leg up. There may be a few Indian consulting companies who favor Indians, but they are the people who pay wages and know best. Similarly just because Americans prefer to buy Japanese cars we can't create an "affirmative action" and prevent americans from buying Japanese cars. We can't prevent walmart from stocking chinese products. So why force employers not to hire Indians and Chinese through creating quotas for highly skilled jobs?
No meaningful immigration reforms can be achieved as long as skilled immigration is based on country quotas. Next we know there will be quotas for marrying foreigners to add to diversity. If you marry a mexican there is retrogression but if you marry a citizen of Vanuatu then green card is processed in ROW:)
I was just making my point how ridiculous it is to have quotas for skilled immigration but not for others including asylum cases.
How do you come to these conclusions what congress intended. AC21's main provisions were to recapture unused visas for certain years; extend h-1b beyond six years; allow someone to change a job after 485 pending for more then six months; allow unused visas to be allocated to oversubscribed countries on a quarterly basis rather then in the fourth quarter.
Above is what was changed. There was no lifting of country cap. If you go to the earlies visa bulletins listed; you will see that Dominican Republic at one time was retrogressed. I haven't looked at it in a long time but if someone goes to the historical visa bulletins pre ac21 then you may see significant movement in retrogressed countries in the fourth quarter of uscis fiscal year (july to september). This is what changed.
However, the ac21 part about unused visas only stipulated if in any quarter there were less applicants then visas available then spillover can happen in that quarter. However, as can be seen in 2005 that weasn't the case and there shouldn't have been spillover.
In another posting you mentioned that your employer doesn't care whether you are Indian or chines or pakistani or anything else. This is true they want you for your skill. However, how did you get into USA. Chinese generally go to school here and will work wherever they get a job. However, Indian nationals have designed a system to get their realitves here through h-1b. Selective recrutiing is performed to get fellow compatriates here that couldn't otherwise get here becuase they have no connections. I ask some of my clients how they get employees. They tell me they are sponsoring their classmates, their cousins, etc. for h-1b.
Therefore, you may think it is not fair; and perhaps it is not fair but perhaps government knows that certain systems have been designed and they value diversity.
In business definition a skilled worker is not someone with two years of experience, a bachelors or even a masters. A skilled worker is someone with substantial experience. That is 15 years and makes $200K to $300K. Employment base immigration is just an accomodation to allow a certain number of people into USA. In my mind it is just an accomodation or goodwill.
If the EB system was designd to attract the best and brightest minds; skilled worker definition or eb2 or eb3 definition would have a much different meaning and would follow business rather then USCIS definition. It would be much different. There would be no quota. It would follow normal business practicses. That is we, can't find a us citizen or greencard holder and we need you. In real business sens it would be an offer, acceptance and you would start in a couple of months. However, it doesn't follow normal business rules/practices because maybe the powers that be look at it as just an accomodation rather then a real necessity.
girlfriend 2010 Toyota 4Runner Interior
brij523
07-17 10:04 PM
Although I am out from this GC fiasco, I would say IV team did heck of a job which requires salute from everyone who are reaping the benefit.
hairstyles 2011 4Runner Trail Edition
babu123
07-17 07:42 PM
IV core team did an outstanding job for achieving this.
I really appreciate their efforts.
This is a big success for us. As a small token of appreciation, I am donation 100 dollars now.
Once we cross Aug 17, IV should seriously think of how to resolve the backlogs of I-485 and also should think of new people who need to file I-485.
I appreciate the goals of IV and I extent my continous support for IV in getting the goals achieved.
I really appreciate their efforts.
This is a big success for us. As a small token of appreciation, I am donation 100 dollars now.
Once we cross Aug 17, IV should seriously think of how to resolve the backlogs of I-485 and also should think of new people who need to file I-485.
I appreciate the goals of IV and I extent my continous support for IV in getting the goals achieved.
sugaur
12-09 04:01 PM
I certainly expected a better articulated reply than a brilliant one-liner.
Anyways, not sure why you are so hung up on the person being illegal so she deserves what she got line. You may have to step back and look at what the larger trend here is. You and I can be the next target (see slippery slope article below).
Here are the underlying reasons for the outrage apart from the basic indecency of shackling a pregnant woman:
Wonk Room � Sheriff Joe Arpaio Admits Clothing, Speech, And Conduct Help Determine If Someone Is �Illegal� (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/08/joe-arpaio-287g/)
Wonk Room � Joe Arpaio: �Illegals� Are �All Dirty,� Should Be �Checked� Like �Fruits and Vegetables� (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/09/joe-arpaio-gq-magazine/)
Arpaio Racial Profiling Accusations | Criteria for Determining Illegal Status? (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/sheriff_racial_profiling_accusations_10_20_2009)
Immigration -- Arpaio's Abuse Of Power (http://pr.thinkprogress.org/2009/11/pr20091103)
Here is why it is a slippery slope>
New Study Finds Dramatic Problems with 287(g) Immigration Program | ACLU of North Carolina (http://acluofnc.org/?q=new-study-finds-dramatic-problems-287g-immigration-program)
Increase in unsolved crimes >
http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/052109%20Bolick%20Justice%20Denied.pdf
In addition to moral blindness, your visual impairment also seems to extend to the physical realm preventing you from even reading the responses to your post.
And you need to do better than just posting links to ACLU and other left leaning websites if you want to forcibly argue your point. Somebody in this forum was pointing out how the majority here seem to favor illegal immigrants. Let me point out that Apraio was elected democratically in 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2008. Apparently voters in his county have a different point of view about illegal immigrants and have no problems voting him again repeatedly.
Anyways, not sure why you are so hung up on the person being illegal so she deserves what she got line. You may have to step back and look at what the larger trend here is. You and I can be the next target (see slippery slope article below).
Here are the underlying reasons for the outrage apart from the basic indecency of shackling a pregnant woman:
Wonk Room � Sheriff Joe Arpaio Admits Clothing, Speech, And Conduct Help Determine If Someone Is �Illegal� (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/08/joe-arpaio-287g/)
Wonk Room � Joe Arpaio: �Illegals� Are �All Dirty,� Should Be �Checked� Like �Fruits and Vegetables� (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/09/joe-arpaio-gq-magazine/)
Arpaio Racial Profiling Accusations | Criteria for Determining Illegal Status? (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/sheriff_racial_profiling_accusations_10_20_2009)
Immigration -- Arpaio's Abuse Of Power (http://pr.thinkprogress.org/2009/11/pr20091103)
Here is why it is a slippery slope>
New Study Finds Dramatic Problems with 287(g) Immigration Program | ACLU of North Carolina (http://acluofnc.org/?q=new-study-finds-dramatic-problems-287g-immigration-program)
Increase in unsolved crimes >
http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/052109%20Bolick%20Justice%20Denied.pdf
In addition to moral blindness, your visual impairment also seems to extend to the physical realm preventing you from even reading the responses to your post.
And you need to do better than just posting links to ACLU and other left leaning websites if you want to forcibly argue your point. Somebody in this forum was pointing out how the majority here seem to favor illegal immigrants. Let me point out that Apraio was elected democratically in 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2008. Apparently voters in his county have a different point of view about illegal immigrants and have no problems voting him again repeatedly.
ItIsNotFunny
11-12 06:07 PM
People have given me reds for asking the dad to go to the cops and reminding this dad his duties.
I think these people who have given me reds only know how to produce many babies but do not know that it comes with a responsibility. Shame on you and to all those who live a life of fear and teach the same on this forum.
Tell me something, if you have an illegal gardener/cleaning guy/moving helper/carpenter/plumber/handyman/male babysitter etc in your house and you have employed him for his servicesand he rapes your wife. Will you not go to the cops? Or will you sit tight at home and just post on the forum saying that you are an H1B and you fear that your H1 and greencard application will be revoked. If you still feel that not going to the cops is a better option, then I do not think your wife deserves a Man like you and certainly not a impotent person like you.
I find posts on this thread very repulsive and cannot hold back these strong words.
Your language is too rude.
I think these people who have given me reds only know how to produce many babies but do not know that it comes with a responsibility. Shame on you and to all those who live a life of fear and teach the same on this forum.
Tell me something, if you have an illegal gardener/cleaning guy/moving helper/carpenter/plumber/handyman/male babysitter etc in your house and you have employed him for his servicesand he rapes your wife. Will you not go to the cops? Or will you sit tight at home and just post on the forum saying that you are an H1B and you fear that your H1 and greencard application will be revoked. If you still feel that not going to the cops is a better option, then I do not think your wife deserves a Man like you and certainly not a impotent person like you.
I find posts on this thread very repulsive and cannot hold back these strong words.
Your language is too rude.
